According to Sigmund, Carl and Alfred

This post was written by Simund, Carl and Alfred! 

September 11, 2001.

We all remember where we were, of course, when we heard about the first plane slammin into the World Trade Center. Was it an accident? Was it deliberate? After a short while we knew. Of course, where we were is of little consequence. To this day, when we talk to each other about the events of that sunny mornin, we talk about the disbelief - and we reflexively ask, "Did you see that?"

With these few words, the imaes of that day bein to play over and over aain, in our minds. Those imaes still remain in sharp focus and replay over and over, because we needed to prove to ourselves that there were actually people evil enouh to do that kind of thin.

There will be millions of words written today, about the victims, traedy, and horror of that day in New York, Pennsylvania and Washinton, DC. There will be more millions of words written on what 9/11 means, what the fallout was, and how we have chaned as a nation.

We will leave those profound discussions to others. Today. We will make a to few observations. This may not prove to be an easy read, but, we believe it is an important read.

What occurred on September 11, 2001 is clear. The unthinkable happened. Our adversaries declared open season on civilization as we know it, on our great democracy and our democratic institutions.

We must come to grips with the realization that there are people amongst us, who would use our freedoms to destroy us. Not only that, these same people believe that because we are a democracy, we - all of us - are legitimate targets because we vote for the leaders that they disapprove of.

We are being told that whatever our politics are, these people, who believe that if they do not approve  of those policies, have the right - and the obligation- to do us harm until we acquiesce to their beliefs. We are told those beliefs are benign, and for many that very well may be. However, cultures, religions, and societies are measured by their collective actions and contributions - not by what they destroy. As we survey the actions and behaviors around the world, it is clear what belief systems have built and what belief systems have destroyed.

Let us be clear as to what those malevolent beliefs are: Women's rights are unacceptable. Worse yet, women would be relegated to mere chattel with a dress code. Gay rights, religious, and racial equality are irrelevant. They are not compatible with the agenda of our adversaries.

It is our democracy they disapprove of, our right to self determination and free expression. With self expression comes the truth that people will take charge of their own lives. That is anathema to the people who oppose us. It is they who wish to control every aspect of our lives. Free will and free expression are not comparable with what they believe.

There are no modern, legal, or cultural precedents dealing with beliefs such as these, because in the history of the American experience, those practises and beliefs are foreign to us. Behavior such as that of September 11 have never been apologized for, or defended by these supposedly civilized societies. Until now.

What used to be the unthinkable, is now a reality and sanctioned by governments and religions.

It is difficult for us to comprehend the hatred, for many reasons. As we have noted, we really do not have the kind of history of ethnic hatreds that even Europe has known.

We understand the rule of law. The ideals of human rights are meant for all, rights that include free speech, a free press, and the need for rules to cross borders and languages so that all may benefit and prosper.

Our adversaries come from a battlefield where hospitals and schools are used to shield terrorists as a matter of course. Their own Houses of Worship are used as armories- anyone else's House of Worship can desecrated or destroyed, at will. Children are deliberately used human fodder, to throw in front of an enemy, or they become disposable chattel, as they were in Beslan.

The world of our adversaries is broken. It doesn't work. There is no standard of measurement that would indicate that is does work. Even the much vaunted and often touted Islamic 'culture of modesty' and enlightened treatment of women, is in reality, a paper thin veneer of self delusion. Ongoing FGM by the millions, honor killings, executions of even children and the relegation of women as little more than disposable property makes moot the lofty ideals proclaimed by the Muslim world.

Universal laws of civilized behavior no longer exist in that world.

Beheading and stoning are celebrated with joy and the mutilation of corpses takes place within view of frenzied, dancing mobs.

Terrorists and rogue regimes are racing to develop weapons of mass destruction.

The Nazis attempted to hide their evil, and  deny it.

Our adversaries can't be bothered.

In plain view, they proudly pronounce their aims and intent. They want to subjugate us or destroy us. Officially appointed government clerics reiterate these goals in mosques and on television. School curriculum educates from nan early age, the Islamic destiny, to be fulfilled by a never ending Jihad. There are those who commit these acts of hate and destruction and there are those who support and apologize for these acts of hate and destruction. These aren't matters of debate or issues. They are facts.

Rather than deal with all these failures- that will inevitably result in generation after generation of lost souls, we are told that everything wrong with their world is our fault- the hate, the killing and the terror. All that needs to be done to cure all their ills, is for us to do as they wish.

We do not really understand these realities because they are not part of our realities.

It is a fact of history that Christianity was at one time a far more barbaric religion. Influenced by power, politics, fear and greed, the powers that dominated early Christianity committed their own share of sins. Nevertheless, Christianity moved forward into the primary skeletal structure of free societies. Taking the cue from their religious forebear's, the Jews, Christians developed the 'uber ghetto,' a society that found 'live and let live' the operative bywords. One can argue it was the Reformation, the printing press or trading treaties that followed wars, but in the end, the tolerant 'State' evolved.

While it is true that western countries at war always invoke God's blessing, we distinctly remove God from the battlefield. We ask his blessing in our endeavors, but we also understand that God despises war and the ensuing tragedies. Very different than Islam, where military battles migrate to sacred status.

We are being told to sublimate who we are in order to accommodate ideas that we have dispensed with centuries ago. Moral relativism it seems, negates our own evolution and asks us to regress into a society and culture that we know to be cancerous. We are being asked to suspend belief in universal truths.

We in the west are happy to live in pluralistic societies. The opportunities to share the opportunities we have is in large part our distinguishing feature. The immigrants who preceded us were all eager to take us up non our offer to succeed. We would not dictate a particular religion, we would not impede religious practises or ethnic customs or traditions. All we asked in return was to join us and participate in the very way of life that made it all possible.

Now we are told, that the problem with America is us. We need to cease being ourselves, we need to discard the very values that made us great. If we don't, we are told, we will pay the price. As we noted earlier,free choice is unacceptable.

America is unique in many ways, not the least of which is how we celebrate religion as a community. We willingly share those religious beliefs that are universal and elevating. We want religion to bring out the best in us all, regardless of faith- or even whether or not they are believers.

Now we are being asked to accept the values of Islamic fundamentalism, dressed up. Other religious beliefs are irrelevant if they remain in conflict with Islam. We are told that if we don't accept the conditions placed on us, we are at fault and all that befalls us is only a response to our failure to accommodate those making the demands.

Clearly, this is unacceptable to Americans . If there is one thing September 11, 2001 ought to highlight, it is the ideas that separates us from those who would do us harm.

Comments

[yellojkt]

Muslims and Christians have lived together in some parts of the world for centuries. Why now is the veil being lifted? The level of extremism coupled with the power of technology is emboldening the most extreme elements and it's not just in Islam. There are terrorists of every persuasion. We must battle the belief that violence is ever justified.

[kimbofo]

This is a long, thought-provoking post, which I thank you for. Terrorism and violence are not new; but the means, the capability and the scale of the immediate impact is. I also think organised religion when taken to its extremes is the problem - and that this can equally apply to the Christian & Muslim worlds.

[Utenzi]

Interesting post but far too loving of black and white with little regard to gray. Right Wing Christians love to feel that they're persecuted and that line of thought runs though this essay. It's fine with me since a little paranoia can certainly keep you on your guard. LOL But don't expect everyone to peer into dark corners with you.

Terrorists have been with us since the beginning of civilization. The USA is a very strong and vigorous country and culture. We'll have no trouble at all weathering this storm--and the enemy isn't Islam, it's a relatively few adherents of that religion.

[L.]

Great brain-food post. You do not look good in Michele's shoes and trinkets though. :)~

[Sigmund, Carl and Alfred]

Utenzi- the 'Christians' you refer to do not fly planes into buildings, blow up school buses or open fire on houses of worship while service are taking place. Nor do Christians do not mutilate their women- there are at least 100 million victims of FGM, according to the UN.

Shall we go on?

[panthergirl]

SCA: I have to take issue with at least one line in your admittedly well thought-out post: we have no history of ethnic hatred? Not only do we have history (slavery) we have RECENT history.

And I also beg to differ on your comment to Utenzi. In fact, "Christians" bomb abortion clinics and kill doctors. "Christians" kill homosexuals. "Christians" promote subservience in women. "Christians" mutilate infant boys at birth.

Right now, our democracy is responsible for the deaths of thousands of Iraqi innocents in our quest to "free" them.

As long as any religion, or any form of government, pronounces itself the ONE TRUE THING, the events of 9/11 will repeat themselves, in one form or another.

[kenju]

Thanks for gathering your thoughts so well and succinctly that even I can understand them.

[Sigmund, Carl and Alfred]

Panther Girl, your exceptions are noted- and in point of fact, are not comparable.

The GIA in Algeria raped and dismembered children as young as 5, in the name of God. Mauritania, arab slave traders ply their trade, virtually unimpeded. In Sudan, there have been over a million people slaughtered because they were not of an 'approved' faith.

Darfur is still a hellhole and the Janjaweed continue to butcher and rape, as their women sing along- literally.

There has always been and there will always be, examples of prejudice and bias. Sadly, that too, is part of the human condition.

That said, we have made great strides in eliminating that less than desirable behavior. We are far from perfect, but we have come a long way.

In other parts of the world, we are treated to religious sermons that end with calls to 'Slaughter the Jews!' or 'Slaughter the Christians!' We see education systems that teach real hate and not tolerance. We see whole societies and cultures fixated on the defamation and slaughter of others.

No matter what our problems may be, there is no equivalence, moral or otherwise.

[Paula]

Also, most Christians condemn acts of terror against civilians committed by other Christians.

[Shannin]

Tough post to read, but I agree that we should fight back against all terrorism - foreign or domestic. But don't put America on a pedestal. We still have killings based on race, religion and beliefs - maybe not in the same numbers as those in the Sudan or the Middle East, but killing one for what they believe is just as deplorable as killing many.

[annie]

I thought the Jews invented mutilating their infant boys at birth?

[Lish]

I agree with some of the commenters that there are many acts of terrorism, including domestic, commited by extremists of many different religions. I think the most important issue on this infamous day is not to argue the semantics, but to remember and honor those who lost their lives in this tragedy. Also, remember that is becasue we are American, or Canadian, or any other democratic society that we can have these thought provoking discussions in the first place.

[sleepingmommy]

Very enlightening. I am aware of the history behind middle eastern society's development and their religion, and their views towards other religions and states and Americans in particular.

I can see how this post may even stir up some discomfort for many readers. However, I have never seen it all put together quite like this analysis. Thank you...I have always found myself applying our religious tolerant belief system (as outlined by our first amendment and the writings of Thomas Jefferson and John Adams) even to these extremist cultures.

Your writing here makes me think about some of that in a slightly different light.

[Raehan]

I think this is an interesting and emotional post that has some value.

My thoughts are this: in separating ourselves so starkly from those who did us wrong, in hope we do not blind ourselves to any evil we potentially do ourselves. We are all capable of evil, and if we forget that, we are in grave danger of commiting evil ourselves. So let us make sure that by defining ourselves as polar opposites of those who attacked us, we are not leaving ourselves open to "hiding' or "denying" evil on our part.

[Sigmund, Carl and Alfred]

Annie, circumcision of boys does not preclude them from sexual pleasure.

Circumcision of girls however, is intended for just that purpose.

It is meant to subjugate women. Period.

[Mamacita]

I hope you realize that you have an amazing talent for putting complicated things into word pictures so people like me can understand them.

[Claire]

A post full of things you feel strongly about and I applaud you for standing up and saying it.

I do think you're overlooking your own countries racial problems. How many people have been and are still being killed there because of black/white/hispanic relations (or lack of) we hear about it daily in the news.

Over here we've had shopping centres, tube stations, hotels etc etc blown up with people killed over and over again by many extremist groups the first that comes to mind is the IRA. Going back to the start of the Ireland/England wars, religion was the excuse, the excuses have changed and mutated but still in the 150+ years of the killings thousands and thousands have died.

Look at the way things are carried out in Africa, there are parts of Africa where the terrorism is shocking, horrendous and scary. Why don't we talk about these daily? Because they aren't put up on our screens every day. And don't you thing that we in the west are terrorists in our own right by standing by and watching thousands and thousands of young children and babies die from malnutrition and AIDS and a whole host of other diseases because our governments won't help stand up to the atrocious corruption in those governements.

Yes the way that the attacks were carried out on 9/11 were atrocious, and yes thousands of innocent lives were lost, but these extremists are no different to any other extremists or terrorists and that is awful and terrible and scary. But for every story there are several sides and it's important to try and at least understand all sides, even if you don't want to or find it difficult.

[Sigmund, Carl and Alfred]

"Look at the way things are carried out in Africa, there are parts of Africa where the terrorism is shocking, horrendous and scary. Why don't we talk about these daily? Because they aren't put up on our screens every day."

True, our media doesn't give a damn about Africans. Darfurese are being slaughtered by the Arab Janjaweed and nothing is being done. Place the blame where it belongs- with our vaunted media.

"But for every story there are several sides and it's important to try and at least understand all sides, even if you don't want to or find it difficult."

There is nothing- absolutely nothing- that justifies terror against innocents. Nothing.

[annie]

I knew that. It was sort of a joke.
All the MEN in my family are properly mutilated.

[Jennie]

Nice post...the thing that jumped out to me was your sentence that says God despises war. It helps me to remember that the Bible contains many instances when God or Jesus is the "warrior" against evil and I don't get the feeling that there's regret involved, but an absolute and exact job to do. There is much military language in the Bible, "battles" literal and figurative, that are led by God purposefully warring against evil. I agree that there is good and there is evil and good should not regret or sentimentalize (is that a word?) overcoming evil.

[Jennie]

ps, I'd like to add that the 3 boys in my family are not mutilated. No one could give me a good enough reason to injure these people (without anesthesia) during their first precious loving moments here on earth. They can choose it for themselves if they'd like later...with anesthesia!

[panthergirl]

SCA: Your comment about circumcision and sexual pleasure is highly debatable. While I agree that female genital mutilation is horrible, I view one could argue that circumcision of males is no better. (and Annie, I didn't say Christians invented it. Just that they do it.)

I am not disputing that the cultures you cite commit atrocities against women and children. How unfortunate that our very own government supports the likes of Saudi Arabia, where a woman cannot go out at night without her husband's permission, or where children are trafficked in, beaten and raped and used as camel jockeys.

I don't want to hijack your comments thread, so I'll leave it at that.

[panthergirl]

PS: delete "I view" from previous comment. Don't know where that came from.

[Raehan]

Gosh, I wish we could edit our own comments. I meant to write "I hope" rather than "in hope" up there.

[Jennie]

Another thing about circumcision (though I know this wasn't the point of your post!)...and I want to make clear that I don't condemn anyone who chooses it...but SC&A said that female circumcision is "meant" to cause harm. Besides religious reasons, exactly what is male circumcision "meant" for?

[Sigmund, Carl and Alfred]

The reason for male circumcision is primarily religious, though there are health claims that have been substantiated.

[j!!]

Well said.

[panthergirl]

SCA: The American Academy of Pediatrics issued a report in 1999 stating that the data showing potential health benefits of circumcision were not sufficient to recommend it as a routine neonatal procedure. Just an FYI.

[Sigmund, Carl and Alfred]

Thank you, Panther Girl.

Then again, those were the folks that told us margarine was good. Bad. Good. Bad. Good. Bad.

[panthergirl]

SCA: As a certified childbirth educator and former labor assistant for women who choose natural childbirth, I am the last person to defend the medical community especially when it comes to matters relating to birth. However, in this case, the AAP is simply acknowledging a fact that the REST of the world has known forever. The US is one of the few countries where people routinely circumcise newborn males for non-religious reasons.

Thankfully, that tide is turning.

It was you that used the word "substantiated" without any reference. I was merely pointing out the current position of the AAP. Where is your data from?

[Sigmund, Carl and Alfred]

Panther Girl, see these:
http://www.cancer.org/docroot/NWS/content/NWS_1_1x_New_Study_Shows_Benefit_of_Male_Circumcision.asp
http://www.circumcisioninfo.com/schoen1.html
http://www.circumstitions.com/Harvard.html
http://www.newscientist.com/channel/health/mg18725113.700

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